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 Lee Kaplan's appearance on O'Reilly  Feb. 9th went very well although it would have been nice to have more time to reveal the truth about the ISM/PSM. Readers are urged to go www.BillOreilly.com and put www.stoptheISM.com into the search engine where you can read about the show. A new transcript of the show has just been added below. Georgetown's administrator  on the show was disingenous claiming GU really didn't know much about the ISM. They also claimed the FBI and US State Department told them the PSM is not a terrorist organzation. Did the administrator at GU lie or was he dissembling on national television?

The FBI does not reveal who is or is not a terrorist or terrorist organization unless someone is indicted. The same applies for the US State Department. For example CAIR has had its leaders arrested and convicted for funding terrorism yet still is operating in the USA. Terrorism expert Steve Emerson has reported to Congress that CAIR is a Hamas front group. Since the PSM is composed of as many as 50 disparate groups working to help the PLO, and one has to wonder how the FBI or State could make such statements. Stop the ISM has asked Georgetown to tell us who at the FBI and State made such statements. We have yet to hear a response from Georgetown.

It is more likely if any inquiry was made, that the FBI and State said the PSM is not on the list or recognized terrorist groups that carry guns and engage in violence. However, the ISM provides logistical help and fundraising for terrorist groups Hamas, Islamic Jihad and PFLP (see our article about the previous Duke University Conference under "Information").

Stop the ISM will keep you posted if Georgetown responds. Below is transcript of the O'Reilly Show:

Transcript of 2/9/06, FOX, O'Reilly Factor

Georgetown University to Host Group Linked to Terrorism

 

O’REILLY:  Thanks for staying with us.  I'm Bill O'Reilly. 

In the "Unresolved Problem" segment tonight, a few weeks ago, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was embarrassed at Georgetown University.  The A.G. had gone there to Georgetown to talk about the NSA wiretapping controversy. 

A group of students, as you see, turned their backs on him and walked out before hearing his remarks. 

Now Georgetown has another controversy on its hands.  Next week it is set to host the Palestinian Solidarity Movement in a conference as part of a conference on problems in the Middle East.  Others will be there, as well.  Now, some believe that organization, that Palestinian organization, has terror ties. 

Joining us now from Oakland, California, Lee Kaplan, investigative reporter, and from Washington, Dr. Daniel Porterfield, vice president of public affairs at Georgetown. 

All right, Mr. Kaplan, I'll begin with you.  I never heard of this group.  I mean, are they terrorists?  What do they do?

LEE KAPLAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER:  Bill, the Palestine Solidarity Movement, which also goes by the name the International Solidarity Movement, is a consortium of American anarchist and communist groups allied with the PLO, and they're on almost every campus in America today. 

You don't hear about it because, like most Americans, you work all day and you don't pay attention to what's going on on the college campuses. 

But this movement has been growing since about 2001, ever since Yasser Arafat was trapped in the Muqata, when a young man named Adam Shapiro, who was unfortunately of Jewish descent, got together with some Arab communists from the PFLP and they started the Palestine Solidarity Movement in the United States and they call it the International Solidarity Movement when they go overseas and act as human shields for Palestinian terrorists. 

O’REILLY:  All right.  So -- but they're not designated by the State Department or anybody else as terror groups, are they?

KAPLAN:  Well, they're not designated as terror groups because they don't walk around with rifles, but what they do do is they provide logistical support and raise money for the terrorist groups overseas. 

O’REILLY:  All right.  It's kind of like the government accused of Samuel al-Arian of doing, and he was acquitted of some of those charges in Florida.

All right.  Now let's get to you, Doctor.  Do you know about the group?  Are you concerned the group is coming to your campus?

DANIEL PORTERFIELD, VP OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY:  Let me say the students are Students for Justice in Palestine, the student organization are the ones that extended the invitation.  It's a student conference.  And our students do have the right, as our faculty do, to invite speakers, to publish articles.  They do have free speech rights at Georgetown. 

When we heard about the conference, we did contact the FBI and the State Department to ask if the organization had any ties to terror.  Because as you say, Bill, most of us had not heard of them either.  And the government -- federal government has been very clear in telling us there are no ties to terror here. 

O’REILLY:  OK.  Now, if ties to terror were proven, if what Mr. Kaplan says is true, that they provide material support, sometimes financial support, would Georgetown turn around and say, "You're not welcome"?

PORTERFIELD:  I think that would be very significant, yes.  We need to know what the exact facts are, of course.  But we have no interest at Georgetown University in allowing people to come to campus who are supporters of terrorism. 

O’REILLY:  All right.  Now, Mr. Kaplan, Dr. Porterfield making a good point that if the FBI and the State Department are saying, "Look, they're not on our terror list."  It is a freedom of speech issue.  We do want on all of our college campuses to have a wide diversity of opinion, even if they are communists.  What would you say?

KAPLAN:  Well, first of all, I would say freedom of speech, does that include the freedom to lie or to present false information in a college setting?

Basically what these conferences are is they are not academic conferences where ideas are discussed.  They are strategy and training sessions -- and it says that on the Palestine Solidarity web site -- where they train in how to teach other subversives in the United States and recruit people on the campuses to go to the West Bank and interfere with the Israeli army fighting terrorists.

Also, they are pushing the Arab boycott against Israel, which is illegal by U.S. law.  They are also pushing divestment of Jewish-owned businesses in America.  It's really an anti-Semitic hate fest inside, even though they do have some Jews in their movement, who are very virulent anarchists and communists. 

O’REILLY:  All right.  Now, Doctor, are you going to be monitoring, if what Dr. Kaplan is true -- saying is true, that they're trying to recruit people to go over to the West Bank and cause trouble?  Are you going to have people watching them?

PORTERFIELD:  We will have members of our student affairs team, some faculty monitors, faculty who really don't have any involvement in the actual issues, just everyday university citizens, as well as, of course, security personnel, who are at the conference and who are ensuring that the conference adheres to our speech and expression policy and also that protesters do. 

O’REILLY:  OK.  Because Mr. Kaplan, I understand -- you correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Kaplan -- you went undercover at Ohio State University to one of these seminars by the Palestinian Solidarity Movement, did you not?

KAPLAN:  Actually, Bill, I did better than that.  For the past 3 1/2 years I've done extensive research on this group.  I actually went through one of their training programs.  I have their training manuals. 

O’REILLY:  OK.  But what I'm interested in is what you found out at Ohio State.  Because look, if these guys are going in to Georgetown or Ohio State or anybody else and they're doing something illegal -- and you said on my notes here that they were -- at Ohio State, they were training -- they explained how to put a good face on suicide bombers.  Is that true?

KAPLAN:  Exactly, Bill.  And the other thing is at the Duke conference, which was the last one they held, Huwaida Arraf, who is Mrs. Adam Shapiro, one of the founders of the movement, actually admitted that the ISM cooperates and works with Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. 

Anybody who has a chance to read my articles on FrontPageMagazine.com will see that the ISM, which is the same as the PSM, also uses PFLP trainers over in the West Bank and Gaza

Now the Patriot Act specifies that lending any kind of logistical aid or working with terrorists is illegal.  Now, the FBI is probably concerned with people running around with bombs.  I'm not saying that they do that. 

O’REILLY:  Yes, but you've got to give Georgetown a break in the sense that if Georgetown has asked and received clearance, I mean, they can't go undercover. 

But I'm concerned, and I bet you you're concerned, too, Dr. Porterfield.  Are you?  Because if what Mr. Kaplan is saying and these people are really bent on destruction or aiding destruction, you don't want them on your campus. 

PORTERFIELD:  Yes, you know, I know some of the students who are involved in extending the invitation.  I have no doubt those students have no involvement in those kinds of activities. 

In terms of people who are coming to the campus who we don't know, you know, we will be on the site.  We'll monitor the activities.  If something inappropriate happens, we will take action. 

O’REILLY:  All right.

PORTERFIELD:  By the way, we also...

O’REILLY:  Go ahead. 

PORTERFIELD:  I'm sorry.  We also did contact Duke and Michigan, which had sponsored the conference the last couple years.  And we asked them what experiences did you have, what lessons did you learn?  And so, you know, we'll be watching very closely. 

O’REILLY:  All right.  Well, so will we, gentlemen. 

KAPLAN:  Bill, I...

O’REILLY:  A big combination (ph).  If these people get out of line we will be able to slap them down.  Gentlemen, thanks very much.  We appreciate it.